Sweetest Tongue and Sharpest Tooth ([info]naamah_darling) wrote,
@ 2008-03-06 03:17:00
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On Bones
I went ahead and ordered the hyena skull.

I had nightmares last night that it arrived much smaller than advertised, and that it fell apart when I touched it. Great. Just great.

Regarding my other skulls, I had a streak of inspiration, and I'm currently in the market for more bones/skulls for art projects; foxes and coyotes, bobcats, badgers, cats, dogs, that sort of thing. Small carnivores, mostly. And I am getting frustrated. I can go onto eBay and find a dozen beautiful specimens of just about any kind of game skull you care to name, and inevitably when I ask how they were prepared, I discover they were prepared by boiling.

There are only three methods that yield strong, clean skulls.

Maceration is the slow, revolting process of taking a skull, stripping most of the meat from it, then submerging it in a bucket. You change out the stinky water regularly, but not too regularly. Bacterial action cleans the flesh from the skull. This is a slow, smelly process.

Your second choice is to feed the bones to a colony of dermestid beetles. Because they don't eat rotten flesh, you still have to strip most of the meat off the bones yourself, a nasty task. Not to mention that dermestid colonies are time-consuming, expensive, and take up a lot of space. Still, if you are preparing lots of bones on a regular basis, dermestids are your best bet.

The third way is the most "natural." You bury the bones in an open-topped box after stripping off most of the meat, and you plant veggies over them. By the time your lettuce or what-have-you is ready to harvest, you have bones free of meat. Professional critter-parts dealers don't use this method, though.

The trouble is that most skulls you buy on eBay are prepared by boiling. This will often split the teeth in hairline fractures that can widen over time. It also causes the fat to permeate the bone itself, and though the bone can be whitened safely with peroxide, the oil will eventually come to the surface. It makes them smell like a leather shop and it gives them a lovely yellowish old-bone patina, but I am not sure how stable that surface is. I do not know if the fats in boiled bones will cause problems over the long-term with whatever I decide to do to the bones. Will it affect paint adhesion? I've posted to a dead things crafter's community about this, but I don't know if I'll get many helpful answers. Plus, cracked teeth really bum me out.

If you want white bones, you have to whiten them with something. The best way to do this is to dip it in hydrogen peroxide. Sometimes, though, people bleach skulls with . . . well . . . with bleach. Bleach will cause the bone itself to break down. I've found it also takes away the lovely natural slickness of bone, turning it into something more like new chalk. A very subtle change in texture, but not one I like. Too much bleach will cause bone to eventually pit, scale, and flake, turning it to so much crumbly meal. Even a lightly-bleached skull is more fragile than an unbleached skull.

So I'm in a bind.

I can get peroxide-bleached, boiled specimens of foxes, coyotes, badgers, skunks, wolverines, etc., from eBay. Small game can run from $15 to $30, and some species are far more expensive. While most appear to be perfectly attractive in auction photos, eBay is eBay and boiling is boiling, and they still may come greasy, or with missing teeth, or chipped or cracked teeth which may have been epoxied in place (which means I'll have to scrape it all away before I can paint it). Also, these are random people, who may or may not have come by their bones legally.

If I want perfect specimens that I know were properly prepared and ethically obtained, I can go to one of the sources I trust and pay two to four times as much.

That's a significant difference in price, and that difference is going to affect the final product's price accordingly. The difference in something like fox skulls is only a matter of $30 or so. But a wolf? A skull like that might run $100 on eBay, but will cost at least $250 from a reputable source.

Another thing that affects price is quality. Depending on species, there is a price gap of as much as $50 between A quality (all teeth, only natural imperfections) and B quality (chipped or missing teeth, fractures, other minor damage) skulls.

Now, I prefer perfect specimens with all their teeth, but frankly I don't know if the average collector of weird art cares that much. Would they be willing to pay $15 - $50 more for a specimen with all its teeth, or would they consider a few missing teeth to add character and an air of arcane mystery? Would they be willing to pay nearly twice as much for a properly-cleaned skull, even if the two initially looked identical? Where do I draw that line?

It's a quality of materials issue. If the difference were one of $5 or $10, I wouldn't care. Even $20 I could find a way to absorb or distribute. But $50 or more? Ouch!

All that said, I am working on my first small project, just to experiment. It's a fox skull I got cheap, and I'm using black ink on it. It's missing some teeth, but not any of the important ones, and I'm having such fun I can hardly believe it. There is something immensely pleasurable about handling bones, especially skulls. Their unique sheen, their mingled delicacy and strength, their strange mix of lightness and weight . . . so beautiful.

I get weird around bones. They creep some people out, especially skulls, and I know this, but I just adore them. I like to cradle them, touch them, smell them. I whisper to them, and then I hold them close and I listen. Sometimes I press the smooth ones to my mouth, my lips, because my fingers are not sensitive enough to detect their grain. I use my nails to find the subtle changes in texture where pebbled turns to smooth, I feel out the sutures and seams. I tap on them, scratch at them, I hold the smaller ones to the light, showing me the thickness and thinness in weird patterns of light and shadow. I peer through the openings into the braincase, I blow into the webbing of turbinate bones that fill the nose. I love teeth, but the zygomatic arch, where the bones of the eyesocket curve out and meet one another, is one of nature's most perfect pieces of architecture. The two little bones that make up the top of the nose are wonderful, too.

It's crazy behavior, I know, but that's the beast in me. Some part of me is always gnawing on bones in the dark.



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[info]baron_waste
2008-03-06 10:12 am UTC (link)

You're just having bad memories of the sea monkeys you ordered as a child.

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(no subject) - [info]naamah_darling, 2008-03-06 07:12 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]snakey
2008-03-06 10:13 am UTC (link)
Our house is full of bones and skulls - most of them found. It freaks some people out.

If I had time I would type up and scan Carolyn Hillyer's Crow piece and the accompanying painting, which deals with some of this, but I don't. :( Another time....

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[info]baron_waste
2008-03-06 10:33 am UTC (link)

The only skull I've ever been fascinated with, particularly, is the Mitchell-Hedges skull. Pre-Columbian or 19th century, it's a whompin' piece of work.


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It is a single solid piece of quartz crystal, with a detachable jawbone, and it is as accurate as an anatomical model. Further, acording to Dorland there are veins of crystal with a differing refraction index curving up from the base to the eyesockets, forming natural fiberoptic channels. Lit from below, not only would the entire skull glow, but the eyesockets would glow more brightly!

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(no subject) - [info]naamah_darling, 2008-03-06 07:14 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]roguepuppet
2008-03-06 11:56 am UTC (link)
I think most people would pay a little more to know that you got the bones from a reputable source. Plus, by not buying from questionable dealers, you do not support their questionable activities.
However, if you can find a reliable dealer who prepares the bones in a cheaper manner, it is worth experimenting with to see how they hold up to your art. If the art just does not take, then the issue is solved without much hassle. If the art takes and looks the same, you might want to make some of each and see where the market falls.
Personally, I think a cracked or missing tooth would add character and interest to the piece- this is art, not something I want to use as a classroom or museum piece, after all.
I love bones and skulls- I completely understand the attraction. I am looking forward to seeing the photos when you are done this piece.

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[info]catmoran
2008-03-06 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Speaking of bones, did you ever sell or auction those fabulous rhinestone-skull boxes you did a while back?

It sounds like you need to get closer to the source; find a way to get ahold of freshly dead heads, and do method #3 on them yourself. You're in Oklahoma, there's got to be someone within driving distance who's skinning them and can sell them to you with just a cursory cleaning.

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[info]mommagoth
2008-03-06 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Fascinating. We've had a deer skull hanging in the garage for a several years now. It was road kill and dogs kept moving it from one spot to another, so when it ended up under my mailbox, I just took it home. I never researched how to properly clean it up but I've entertained ideas of art projects with it. You just may inspire me to revisit that idea.

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[info]harmanhay
2008-03-06 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Marketing. Many of your worries can be dealt with by good marketing. Make what you want to make, then work out how to sell it. Art will always find art lovers (contrary to popular belief.)

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[info]deire
2008-03-06 01:21 pm UTC (link)
:chuckle: My anatomy test last night was on bones. Lab test. The thing is, to really see the features, models are not good. They're an approximation, and features can be entirely missing or not visible as they would be on real bone. The teacher uses as many real bones as she can. I'm not sure what it is, but I really like epiphyseal bone, at the ends, where the spongy mixes with compact bone. Also, if you have family and donate your body, the school has to give it back after a certain amount of time. Which is weird to me. I can sort of see it, but eh...you want the cut up corpse back now?

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(no subject) - [info]naamah_darling, 2008-03-06 07:23 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]deire
2008-03-06 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Oooh, oooh! Clavicle base for wind chimes!

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(no subject) - [info]naamah_darling, 2008-03-06 07:25 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]emperorbuz
2008-03-06 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Or, you could do it yourself!

I have a collection of skulls and bones that I have prepared all by myself. My collection is pretty large and includes wild boar skulls, dogs, cats, coyotes, raccoons, nutria, a snapping turtle, a dwarf opposum and once... a common opposum that got crushed because their skulls are incredibly brittle and fragile.

Dermastid beetles, I have never used, but I know people who have and they say that it's the hardest method because you need to keep the colony alive when not preparing a skull, and apparently, that's not an easy task.

I've never tried boiling.

Burying a skull is ALWAYS risky, especially for us down here in the south where you dig a foot in the ground and hit water. If you're not familiar with how much bacteria and scavengers reside in the soil, you might come back in a couple weeks to find nothing where you once buried the biggest nutria you've ever seen. This has happened to me. Same thing happened with an alligator skull, too! (shhh)

My method is plain and simple, but you've got to have the stomach for it, you have to have the time, and most people advise against it. Though, I don't know why- because I can stand putresence easier than I can take the smell of cabbage, and I have no problem handling rotten flesh as long as I have my trusty blade and latex gloves. My skulls always come out absolutely beautiful, so I don't know why people advise against my methods.

You find a nice little nook or cranny in your back yard well away from anywhere else and simply leave the skull there. You can surround it with bricks or logs or whatever, but make sure you leave it a little open to the air. Basically, you let bacteria, ants, beetles and flies do their job. When the time is right (after the slimey stage when you see most of the flesh is gone and the bone is very visible all around the skull), you take your skull and soak it in water with a minute amount of bleach added to it. This kills all bacteria AND helps loosen any flesh that may still remain. Examine the skull to see if any teeth have fallen out, and if so, you're in luck because you get to go digging for it in a pile of rotten flesh and maggots! When you find all the teeth, drop them in the water as well. If you've got the stomach for it, take the skull out and go to work on it removing any flesh that may still remain.

After that, you can dry it out. If you want a more "natural" look, make sure it stays out of the sun and keep it in a dry place for a few days. But I like my skulls to appear a little sunbleached, so I place them in direct sunlight for about 3 days and 3 more upside down. Any teeth or tusks that have fallen out, I"ll usually bleach them seperately too and glue them back in place when it's ready for display.

Not many people have the "guts" to prepare a skull that way, but I don't mind, and I find that it's not as disgusting to me as most people think it is. Besides, it worth it, knowing the beatiful work of art I will have to display when I'm done. =)


When it comes to cracks and stuff.... you'll be surprised how amazingly dried elmer's glue can fill in and blend in...

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[info]onceupon
2008-03-06 01:34 pm UTC (link)
I have run into the same problem and I haven't found a good solution yet. I have also run into being pretty unable to find small bird and/or lizard skulls, which are what I really WANT for what I want to do. *flail*

For what it is worth, I have noticed no issues with boiled bones.

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[info]apocalypticbob
2008-03-06 01:35 pm UTC (link)
You might try Skulls Unlimited. Looks like their wolf skulls are around $95.00, they claim to clean with the beetles, and they are a local (Oklahoma City) company. I saw them when Mike Rowe visited their workplace on Dirty Jobs, and they definitely had the beetles and the stinky water method going. Yuck!

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[info]toxic_iguana
2008-03-06 02:59 pm UTC (link)
I used to put my skulls in an anthill. You just had to be VERY careful getting them back out…

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[info]technobadger
2008-03-06 03:12 pm UTC (link)
I have not bought from them, but Chichester Inc. has a reputation for ethically obtaining various types of bones, skulls, fur etc. They don't enumerate their cleaning method on their website but they seem to invite calls and inquiries so I'm sure you could ask.

Once upon a time a guy in high school made a set of wind chimes from the ones of a deer he found and cleaned. He lent them to the marching band for a season. I was the only one that would touch/play them. In fact, I kind of... bonded with them that season. I offered him any amount of money to part with them once the season was over but alas, he couldn't be persuaded. :( I haven't thought of those bone chimes in years.

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(no subject) - [info]naamah_darling, 2008-03-06 07:45 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ashbet
2008-03-06 04:43 pm UTC (link)
I would suggest getting in touch with one of the more prolific eBay sellers, and asking questions about methods -- you could probably get them to specially prepare one according to your preferred methods (probably not dermestids, but maybe maceration) if you asked nicely and paid in advance.

I had a good transaction for a fox skull with "frozencritters" on eBay, FWIW -- I needed one of a certain size, and he found it and set it aside for me :)

-- A <3

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[info]angelshelper81
2008-03-06 05:19 pm UTC (link)
Are you still in touch with Acataphasia? (She did that cthulhu cat you gave to your, um, niece I think.) She does a lot of work with skulls and prepares her own. I'm not sure if she'd be willing to sell you skulls, but she could probably at least suggest resources and give you advice on cleaning.

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[info]pixxelpuss
2008-03-06 06:58 pm UTC (link)
Maybe you could get a bones wishlist? Christmas is only Nine months away! Ugh.

I really want to see how this skull turns out.

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[info]siliconshaman
2008-03-06 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Actually, there is another way.

See, bones are broken down by acids, that's what damages them most. BUT an alkali won't touch the bone while breaking down the flesh.

Here's what you do. Take a bucket with a lid [clear for pref], take your skull that's mostly flensed and put that in the bucket. Next get a jumbo economy sized packet of biological washing detergent powder or liquid. If it's powerder then mix it with just enough water to make a paste, otherwise pour it on neat. Seal and put it somewhere safe outdoors.

Then leave it. The alkali detergent breaks down the flesh, the enzymes and wotnot break down the fats and protins. Eventually you end up with a clean, non-fatty unpitted bone. You have to keep checking it, but make sure you do it quick as it has to remain in mostly anarobic conditions. Rinse it off thoughily and leave on your window-sill for a couple of weeks in strong sunlight to bleach it. [or under a UV lamp]

Used to use this process to prepare specimins for the biology dept.

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[info]staje
2008-03-06 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Interesting bone fact: when collecting fossils in the field sometimes you run across a bone that may be a fossilized or may be recent (usually you can tell by site, but not always). If you touch your tongue to it and it wicks the moisture up, it is a bone, not a fossil. Cool, eh?

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[info]diabla_traviesa
2008-03-06 09:02 pm UTC (link)
A few years ago I had to work with human skulls for a class and I became fascinated by zygomatic arches. It's my favorite part of the skull, followed by the eye sockets.
To be honest, I think missing teeth are not that important. But it's just my opinion

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[info]greenjeanz
2008-03-06 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I think the coolest way to find clean bones is to look in the woods...you will definitely find some, some of them even bleached by the sun. I mean, you still have to wash them and all. lmao.
(can you tell I'm a lazy fucker?)

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[info]mgs_naughtycat
2008-03-06 10:58 pm UTC (link)
You are just too cool. Horse skulls are wierd to me because they look so much different to me than the horse does on the outside.
Seal skulls are interesting like that too.

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[info]caturah
2008-03-06 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Woo, grats on the new skull!

Knowing nothing about this subject, are maggots never an option? I though, since they supposedly only eat dead flesh (and hence can be used by the medical profession) they'd be ideal for stripping a skull, although it probably would be a semi-smelly method.

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[info]cissa
2008-03-06 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Having a fairly wide experience of boiled bones from a cooking POV, I'd think there would be problems with adhering paint.

I've described a possible minimal-gardening approach to the garden method, above.

Personally- I'd be happier buying art if I knew the components were ethically sourced- especially things like skulls. I'd be less fussed about the tooth quality in an artwork. From an artisan POV- I think one has to make the ethical choices one can live with, and then charge accordingly when necessary; the right buyers will respect that. (And the wrong ones won't want to pay decent prices for one's work anyway, so it's not that much of a sacrifice.)

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[info]sterlingspider
2008-03-07 12:29 am UTC (link)
I want a human skull but when it comes down to it I just can't trust that the source is ethical. Also I'm superstitious a bit and would like to know that the person would have wanted me to have it. I would at least want to know their name!

My mother has made it quite clear that she wants to be donated to science and used to better humanity and has no attachment to her remains. I've seriously considered asking her if I could have her bones when she dies but as far as I can tell it's completely illegal in NY to keep human remains. Oddly enough I think it's legal to get anonymous prepared specimens, but if I wanted a random hunk of my own Mom that would be verboten. Bastards.

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